Bridging the Rift #5: Appreciating the Classics

We’re joined by Steven of Radio Free Skaro and The Chronic Hysteresis to discuss the best way for fans of the new series of Doctor Who to get into and fully appreciate the classic series.

We also return to the trock special to discuss your suggestions for Doctor Who music we overlooked and break news of some upcoming classic series trock songs!

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Introductions

@ 1 minute – Steven introduces himself:

Legopolis on Twitter
One of the Three Who Rule from Radio Free Skaro
The Chronic Hysteresis

Rebuttals – Trock Opera

@ 3 minutes – We look at more Trock fan art and your suggestions for Doctor Who music we missed:
CHAMELEON CIRCUIT fan art by Briz of BrizyComics
Shooting Stars – The Who (TV comedy sketch)
Who Are They fan art by chrono01 (Based on this classic The Who album cover)
You Really Got Me – The Tom Baker Version (Created using BT Text Message to Phone Call service, see http://tombakersays.com/)
Filk – Captain Jack and the Doctor by Rhodri James (see songbook On The Filk Road)
Filk – The Grandfather Clock by Cecilia Eng (Scroll down for lyrics, Available on CD, Of Shoes And Ships, Original tune, My Grandfather’s Clock by Henry Clay Work)
I Am A Dalek by The Art Attacks (Punk trock, 1977)
Disco Davros fan art by spacecowboy76
Ballad of the Last Chance Saloon (from the Hartnell serial The Gunfighters)

@ 16 minutes – Upcoming classic series trock songs:

Turn Left
Time Agency

Main Discussion – Getting Into The Classic Series

The official BBC Classic Doctor Who site: http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/classic/

@ 17 minutes 30 seconds – We do we like the classic series?

@ 27 minutes – Is Jon Pertwee’s Third Doctor like James Bond?

@ 33 minutes 50 seconds – How does the classic series differ most from modern Doctor Who?

@ 49 minutes 50 seconds – What’s the best classic story to introduce new series fans to the classic series?

Not City of Death
An Unearthly Child (episode 1 only)
Horror of Fang Rock
The Curse of Fenric
Remembrance of the Daleks
Robot
Mawdryn Undead

@ 58 minutes 30 seconds – Does it depend on what the person likes?

Character development: 5th Doctor and 7th Doctor

Good effects: 1st minute of The Trial of a Time Lord

No bad special effects: The Happiness Patrol, Horror of Fang Rock

Timey Wimey: The Ark, Mawdryn Undead

Body Horror: The Ark In Space, The Seeds of Doom

@ 1 hour – Are the multi-Doctor stories a good introduction?

The Five Doctors
The Three Doctors
But probably not The Two Doctors

@ 1 hour 6 minutes – What’s the best introduction to each Doctor’s era?

First Doctor:

An Unearthly Child
The Daleks
The Aztecs

Second Doctor:

The Krotons
Tomb of the Cybermen
The Invasion

Third Doctor:

Inferno
The Green Death
The Time Warrior

Fourth Doctor:

Hinchcliffe/Holmes era:
The Ark In Space
Genesis of the Daleks
Horror of Fang Rock (OK technically Williams era, but feels like H/H)

Graham Williams era:
The Horns of Nimon (?!)
City of Death

JNT era:
Full Circle

Fifth Doctor:

Black Guardian Trilogy
Earthshock
Time-Flight (?!)
We couldn’t agree on Resurrection of the Daleks

Sixth Doctor:

Trial of a Time Lord
The Mark of the Rani
Revelation of the Daleks
Vengeance on Varos
Not Timelash

Seventh Doctor:

Survival
Curse of Fenric
Remembrance of the Daleks

Eighth Doctor:

The Big Finish Audios
Possibly The TV Movie

@ 1 hour 13 minutes 30 seconds – What’s the best story to watch for particular recurring characters or races?

Daleks:

Genesis of the Daleks
Remembrance of the Daleks
Reconstructions of The Power of the Daleks

Cybermen:

Earthshock
The Tomb of the Cybermen
The Invasion

Master:

Mind of Evil
The Sea Devils
The Deadly Assassin
Planet of Fire
New Beginnings (Keeper of Traken, Logopolis, Castrovalva)

Sarah Jane:

The Seeds of Doom
The Hand of Fear

K9:

Androids of Tara
The Invisible Enemy
YouTube clips of Tom Baker complaining

The Autons:

Spearhead from Space
Terror of the Autons

The Sontarans:

The Time Warrior
The Sontaran Experiment
The Invasion of Time

@ 1 hour 18 minutes 10 seconds – Other ways to get into the series:

Websites:

Gallifrey Base Forum, The Timelash
Behind The Sofa, Stripped Down
The Chronic Hysteresis
The Daily Drew
Who Daily on Livejournal
Official BBC Worldwide Doctor Who YouTube clips

@ 1 hour 18 minutes 10 seconds – Legal methods of experiencing missing classic series episodes:

Telesnap Photo Novels
Marco Polo reconstruction on The Beginning Box Set
BBC Soundtrack CDs (Power of the Daleks has a full reconstruction)
Target Novelisations

@ 1 hour 34 minutes 25 seconds – Podcasts:

Hoo on Who
The Flashing Blade
Radio Free Skaro
Doctor Who Podshock
The Tin Dog Podcast

@ 1 hour 39 minutes 45 seconds – Fan-made Commentaries:

Tachyon TV
Radio Free Skaro
A Podcast of Impossible Things
MMM Commentaries
Zarban.com The House of Commentaries

@ 1 hour 45 minutes 45 seconds – Wrapping up

Creativity Corner has been moved to next episode as we overran recording this episode. We’ll try to keep to time in future episodes!

If you have any suggestions of episodes, sites or any other ways into the classic series, please let us know via bridgingtherift.wordpress.com, in email to our GoogleMail or directed @BridgingTheRift on twitter.

Next Time

@ 1 hour 46 minutes 30 seconds – Next week we’ll be revisiting our Russell T Davies episode with your rebuttals and discussing all things fictional in a fan fiction special.

Trocking Out

@ 1 hour 46 minutes 50 seconds – We play out with one of the few classic series trock songs that looks at an aspect of the history of the classic series – Gallifreyan History 101 by Chameleon Circuit, available from iTunes, Amazon MP3 and on CD. Thanks to DFTBA records and the band for permission to use this song.

Bridging the Rift #4: Russell T Davies and Fandom

We’re joined by Virgin New Adventures, BBC Eighth Doctor novels and Short Trips author Kate Orman to discuss fandom’s attitudes to Russell T Davies, and how Davies refers to fandom.

We also discuss your ideas about continuing Torchwood after Children of Earth and play out with more Time Lord Rock music.

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Introductions

@ 1 minute – Kate introduces herself:

http://kateorman.livejournal.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kate_Orman
Kate’s books on Amazon.co.uk

Rebuttals

@ 2 minutes – Todd’s comments on episode 1

@ 2 minutes 25 seconds – Aren’t all relationships in sci-fi doomed?

@ 10 minutes 30 seconds – Could series 4 follow a Torchwood 2 or 4 unstuck in space or time?

@ 15 minutes 10 seconds – Could the Doctor ‘help’ Jack by removing his memories, as he ‘helped’ Donna in Journey’s End?

@ 19 minutes 50 seconds – Draculasaurus’s comments on episode 2 about an American branch of Torchwood

Creativity Corner

@ 22 minutes 50 seconds – Russell T Davies fan art:

http://bluejeanius.livejournal.com/26084.html#cutid1
http://russelh.deviantart.com/art/RTD-fig-81867715
http://willmeister42.deviantart.com/art/AnyWho-12-Justice-90072642
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:The_Shadow_Proclamation_by_Russell_T_Davies.png

Main discussion

@ 29 minutes – Listening to some fans, you’d think Russell T Davies was the worst thing to happen to Doctor Who, why is this?

@ 34 minutes – We discuss common fan complaints against RTD’s writing:

@ 34 minutes 20 seconds – RTD turned Doctor Who into a soap opera

@ 38 minutes 45 seconds – Including romance is ‘lazy writing’

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/cult/a170471/former-who-writer-doc-snogging-is-lazy.html

@ 44 minutes 15 seconds – Russell is generally a lazy writer

Doctor Who Magazine 407′s interview with Christopher H Bidmead

@ 51 minutes 33 seconds – The character of Rose becomes unlikeable in series 2

@ 53 minutes 10 seconds – Episodes by other writers are bad because of RTD’s rewrites or influence

@ 55 minutes 54 seconds – Isn’t script edited

@ 58 minutes – Deus Ex Machina endings (Bad at epic stories or bad at endings in general)

@ 1 hour 7 minutes 27 seconds – Stories are too Earthbound

@ 1 hour 15 minutes 26 seconds – Doesn’t take science fiction or the future seriously

@ 1 hour 18 minutes 53 seconds – Gay agenda

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/2009/08/02/fans-react-with-threats-to-ianto-s-death-in-torchwood-91466-24294228/

@ 1 hour 25 minutes 32 seconds – Misuses religious imagery

@ 1 hour 28 minutes 19 seconds – Childish humour, burping bins, farting aliens

@ 1 hour 29 minutes 14 seconds – Just not liking the story (Nat talks about inconsistency in series 3)

@ 1 hour 31 minutes 26 seconds – People forget that RTD is a huge fan of Doctor Who

@ 1 hour 33 minutes 18 seconds – He’s supported fan creativity and spin off media where other show runners might not

@ 1 hour 35 minutes 30 seconds – The way RTD refers to fandom with cheeky remarks or outright dismissal

Audience Appreciation figures
http://journal.neilgaiman.com/2009/05/entitlement-issues.html

@ 1 hour 44 minutes 40 seconds – Wrapping up

Next Time

@ 1 hours 46 minutes 20 seconds – We’re sure that not everyone will agree with the opinions discussed in this episode. If you disagree or have any other comments, please send your feedback via bridgingtherift.wordpress.com, in email to our GoogleMail or directed @BridgingTheRift on twitter.

Next week we’ll be revisiting trock in our rebuttals section and looking at the best way for fans of the new series to explore the classic series.

Trocking Out

@ 1 hour 47 – We trock out to You Are Not Alone by KronksSpinachPuffs now known on YouTube as songsfrompaul. Thanks to Paul for kind permission to use this song.

Bridging the Rift #3: Trock Opera

We’re joined by Alex Day aka nerimon from Time Lord Rock band Chameleon Circuit to discuss trock and Doctor Who music in all its forms. We also look at fan creativity about and inspired by trock, play Alex Doctor Who music from the past and attempt to define just what trock is.

It’s a bumper length trock special!

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Introduction

@ 1 minute We introduce Alex and Time Lord Rock, talk about how trock got started and how we got into trock.

http://www.youtube.com/user/nerimon
http://www.myspace.com/chameleoncircuitmusic

@ 6 minutes 30 seconds Could there be a musical episode like Buffy’s Once More With Feeling?

@ 9 minutes 50 seconds Alex talks about his hopes that trock will bring a younger generation into Doctor Who conventions.

@ 11 minutes Alex tells us how Chameleon Circuit started and got named.

@ 13 minutes Which genres does trock music include?

Giant Robot by Time Agency

@ 15 minutes 30 seconds Where should people go if they want to start listening to trock?

http://trockon.wordpress.com/
http://timelordrock.wordpress.com/

@ 18 minutes 30 seconds Is trock all about the new series or are there any classic series songs?

@ 19 minutes 50 seconds How much of the classic series is Alex familiar with?

Creativity Corner

@ 23 minutes We look at the fan-made music videos for Chameleon Circuit’s An Awful Lot Of Running:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvf4vIk3BP0 by smilinglimpet (Making of video)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4zNQYSsPa4 by AnermayAnimation

@ 27 minutes 30 seconds Other videos:

17 Ways to Define Trock by littleradge (Liam from Chameleon Circuit)

Blink Music Video by notquitecenter

Journey’s End Music Video by thatenglishkid

@ 29 minutes 30 seconds Fan art about Chameleon Circuit:

http://virunee.deviantart.com/art/Chameleon-Circuit-Fanart-129239629 (Chibi band)
http://mazzi294.deviantart.com/art/Charlie-126239297 (Pop art Charlie)
http://zal001.deviantart.com/art/Not-much-has-change-since-then-123424494
http://chameleoncircuitfans.deviantart.com/ (deviantART CC fan club)
http://frxsrxss.deviantart.com/art/Trock-stamp-95715376

The fan art Alex was sent – CHAMELEON CIRCUIT by Briz of BrizyComics – Brilliant group portrait of the band!

@ 33 minutes Fan art about Doctor Who characters making music:

http://jinkies36.deviantart.com/art/The-Smiths-WIP-132755352 (Nat’s The Smiths work in progress)
The cover to the Trock On compilation by SharkeyeJones
http://sanguaze.deviantart.com/art/Rock-Band-Masters-111052247 (Doctor and the Master in a band)
http://community.livejournal.com/doctorwhy/2008/11/14/ (From Doctor Why, the Master plays Rock Band)
http://loonylovegood93.deviantart.com/art/Torchwood-Chibis-77722988 (Doctor and Torchwood chibis in a band)
http://metallicfire0.deviantart.com/art/Who-Karaoke-94562809 (Doctor Who characters singing karaoke)
http://aimeekitty.deviantart.com/art/TARDIS-karaoke-room-89695874 (Doctor singing karaoke to Jack, Martha and Donna)
http://circusmonsters.deviantart.com/art/iOod-The-Doctor-Donna-Song-110103308 (iOod)

@ 40 minutes 30 seconds A list of Twitter #badtrocknames, Doctor Who band name puns game.

Discussion – Doctor Who Music

@ 42 minutes 30 seconds How important has the Internet been to trock?

@ 44 minutes We play Alex Doctor Who music from the past and ask if they’re trock:

I’m Gonna Spend My Christmas With A Dalek – The Go-Go’s (1960′s Dalek Mania, reminds Alex of Dalek, Baby)
Who’s Who by Roberta Tovey (Susan in the Cushing Dalek movies) – 1964 (or 65?)
Who’s Doctor Who – Frazer Hines (Jamie), 1968 – Groovy! (See also, ‘I’m a Time Traveller Honey And I Can’t Get Away From Your Love)
I Am The Doctor – Jon Pertwee, 1972 (competing with William Shatner there?)

All the above tracks are available on the CD Who Is Doctor Who

Doctor In Distress – Everyone involved in mid 1980s Doctor Who and Ian Levine (Official music video!)
Doctorin’ The Tardis – The Timelords (aka The Justified Ancients of Mu Mu later the KLF), 1988 got to Number one! (Official music video!)

Doctorin’ The Tardis mash up with Uprising by Muse: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjJRZafALsk

@ 1 hour Alex wonders if Chameleon Circuit could ever get to number one.

@ 1 hour 2 minutes Doctor Who parody music:

The Dalek Song (2005, based on the Llama Song, it was originally on http://artistic-insanity.net/song/daleksong.html as a flash animation)
A Calypso With A Totally Doctor Who Twist by The Scottish Falsetto Sock Puppet Theatre (very silly ‘educational’ history of the actors who played the Doctor)

Discussion – Filk

@ 1 hour 4 minutes 40 seconds Examples of filk (music created by science fiction and fantasy fans) about Doctor Who:

Who Am I by Terrance Chua, 2004 (to an acoustic Doctor Who theme)

Timelord Shuffle by Jeff and Maya Bonhoff, 1998 (to the tune of Istanbul by They Might Be Giants)

@ 1 hour 8 minutes 45 seconds Is trock filk or vice versa?

@ 1 hour 11 minutes Will Wizard Rock and Time Lord Rock kill off Filk?

@ 1 hour 12 minutes What are the differences between Trock and Filk?

@ 1 hour 13 minutes 20 seconds Trock acts always have a band name and filk is just individuals?

Trock artist without a band name, Tom Milsom
Filk band Ookla The Mok

@ 1 hour 16 minutes Filk can use existing music, does trock always use original tunes?

@ 1 hour 17 minutes 30 seconds Why Alex wants more people to make trock music

@ 1 hour 18 minutes Filk is more an in person phenomenon while Trock is almost entirely online?

@ 1 hour 18 minutes 40 seconds Alex talks about the possibility of Chameleon Circuit going on tour or appearing at conventions, and the possible problems with playing live

@ 1 hour 22 minutes 40 seconds Katrina asks about the song Rose by Geoff Smith

Discussion – How to start making Trock

@ 1 hour 24 minutes 30 seconds Where can someone go if they want to start making trock?

DFTBA Records Trock On Forum

@ 1 hour 25 minutes 50 seconds Is there an age limit to Trock?

Raston Warrior Robot
TADIR

@ 1 hour 29 minutes 30 seconds What if you need to find other band members?

One Man, Two Hearts is a songwriter who gets other Trock artists to sing his songs.

@ 1 hour 31 minutes 30 seconds We talk about the Chameleon Circuit album and the different types of songs.

Chameleon Circuit CD from DFTBA records
Chameleon Circuit at Amazon MP3
(Also on iTunes)

@ 1 hour 33 minutes 25 seconds What do you need to start trocking?

Discussion – Trock: What’s happening at the moment?

@ 1 hour 34 minutes 20 seconds Could there be a fan made Doctor Who musical?

A Very Potter Musical

@ 1 hour 35 minutes 15 seconds Is Alex writing any new trock?

@ 1 hour 36 minutes 5 seconds Are any other trock bands close to releasing an album?

@ 1 hour 36 minutes 30 seconds Which trock bands should people try after Chameleon Circuit?

Turn Left
Harmonies In Whoville
Quantum Locked
Mr Saxon

@ 1 hour 37 minutes 30 seconds Alex tells us about the Trock On compilation CD:

Trock On at Amazon MP3
The Trock On CD from DFTBA Records
(Also on iTunes)

Goodbyes

@ 1 hour 38 minutes 30 seconds If you have any other examples of old Doctor Who music, Doctor Who parody songs, trock fan art or videos, funny fake trock band names or any other Doctor Who music related creativity, please let us know in the comments!

Next week we’ll be talking about Russell T Davies’ relationship with fandom. If you have any thoughts about this, please do let us know on WordPress or via Twitter @BridgingTheRift.

Trocking On

@ 1 hour 39 minutes 20 seconds We play out to a trock song about writing trock songs, Doctor Who??? by Scottish trock band Harriet Jones And The Former Prime Ministers.

Bridging the Rift #2: 11th Doctor 1st Filming Photos

When filming for the Matt Smith 2010 series of Doctor Who began, we were treated to the first pictures of the Eleventh Doctor in costume and in character, as well as our first look at the new companion and a newly regenerated Tardis exterior. Without mentioning plot spoilers, we discuss the fandom’s reaction to these and speculate about what they mean.

We also look at the surprising news that series 5 will be produced and marketed as ‘Series 1′.

Our guest panellist is Erik, previously heard on our Radio Free Skaro Wednesday Cutaway ‘Pilot’, who can be found on Twitter as @sjcaustenite.

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Rebuttals

We recorded this episode immediately after releasing episode 1 due to Nat attending a convention. However we discussed:

@ 3 minutes – Could Torchwood series 4 be filmed and set in America? Based on comments by LiveJournal user the-magician.

@ 7 minutes – We responded to an interview with io9 where RTD confirmed that any future series would definitely be in the mini series format.

Creativity Corner

@ 14 minutes – We look at the first fan art responses to the Eleventh Doctor’s costume and discuss the difficulty of creating fan art and caricatures with only still images or publicity photos:

http://neillcameron.blogspot.com/2009/07/new-doctor-who.html
http://nightwing1975.deviantart.com/art/doctor-who-11-130331960
http://onegemini.deviantart.com/art/Doctor-Who-The-11th-Doctor-130276468
http://draculasaurus.deviantart.com/art/eleventh-130375951
http://memorypalace.deviantart.com/art/The-Eleventh-Doctor-130965705
http://dtdstudio.deviantart.com/art/Matt-Smith-Dr-Who-toon-131213282
http://geezergonkess.deviantart.com/art/DW-Big-Shoes-to-Fill-110609388

@ 27 minutes – We look at location filming ‘cat macros’ from LiveJournal community I Has A Tardis:

http://community.livejournal.com/ihasatardis/1890999.html
http://community.livejournal.com/ihasatardis/1890711.html
http://community.livejournal.com/ihasatardis/1891514.html
http://community.livejournal.com/ihasatardis/1891810.html
http://community.livejournal.com/ihasatardis/1893001.html

Discussion

We have a plot-spoiler-free but speculation-filled discussion about the first location pictures:

@ 31 minutes – The Eleventh Doctor’s costume

@ 50 minutes – Amy Pond’s name and costume

@ 58 minutes – The revamped or ‘reset’ Tardis Exterior

And then:

@ 1 hour 8 minutes – We look at the fan reaction to news from the pages of Doctor Who Magazine that the 2010 series will be marketed as ‘Series 1′.

Next Time

@ 1 hour 13 minutes – As this week marks the first anniversary of the ‘founding’ of the Time Lord Rock genre, Episode 3 will be a Trock special!

Trocking Out

@ 1 hour 14 minutes – We play out with the first self-described trock song, An Awful Lot Of Running by Chameleon Circuit, which is on their self-titled debut album available on CD from DFTBA records and to download from Amazon MP3 and iTunes.

Thanks to Chameleon Circuit and DFTBA records for kind permission to use this track.