Bridging the Rift #9: Funny Fan Comics

September 26, 2009

Subwave Network album artWe’re joined by Lydia aka Girl on the Moon, of Doctor Who, Torchwood and UNIT webcomic, The Search For The Truth to discuss Doctor Who Universe funny fan comics.

We also travel back in time two weeks to hear all your theories, fixes and rebuttals about the existence and contents of Doctor Who canon.

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Show Notes

Introductions

@ 1 minute – Lydia introduces herself:

deviantART: http://girl-on-the-moon.deviantart.com/
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/user/Moongirl42

Rebuttals

2 minutes 30 seconds – We look at feedback to episode 7, our canon episode:

Auld Morality: http://www.drwhoguide.com/unbound01.htm
Minuet in Hell: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minuet_in_Hell
20,000 Leagues Under The Sea: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty_Thousand_Leagues_Under_the_Sea

Main Discussion – Funny Fan Comics

37 minutes 20 seconds – We discuss our favourite funny fan comics:

The Search for the Truth: http://girl-on-the-moon.deviantart.com/gallery/#The-Search-for-the-Truth

The 10 Doctors: http://comics.shipsinker.com/2007/03/10/a-doctor-who-comic-the-10-doctors/

Polvoice:
http://polvoice.deviantart.com/gallery/#Fan-Arts
The Abridged Torchwood Finale: http://polvoice.deviantart.com/art/The-Abridged-Torchwood-Finale-106698688
Caves of Androzani: http://polvoice.deviantart.com/art/Caves-of-Androzani-64594854
The DoctorDonna: http://polvoice.deviantart.com/art/The-DoctorDonna-comic-96854507
Jack Harkness – PotW: http://polvoice.deviantart.com/art/Jack-Harkness-PotW-70763970

Sarcastic Fox:
http://sarcasticfox.deviantart.com/gallery/
Skin of a Killer: http://sarcasticfox.deviantart.com/art/Skin-of-a-Killer-110111607

Doctor Why aka The Worst of the Time Lords: http://community.livejournal.com/doctorwhy/ by lazenich and reaperfox

Torchwood Babiez: http://tw-babiez.livejournal.com/ by spastasmagoria and jigglykat

AnyWho: http://willmeister42.deviantart.com/gallery/#AnyWho-Comics by willmeister42

uWho: http://spune-who.deviantart.com/gallery/ by spune-who

1 hour 8 minutes 40 seconds – What makes a good funny fan comic?

Making a joke out of one line or moment:
AnyWho: Fashion: http://willmeister42.deviantart.com/art/AnyWho-Comic-1-fashion-55950782

Highlighting plot holes and flaws in plans:
Davros Reality Check: http://the-hellish-gnome.deviantart.com/art/Davros-Reality-Check-91983710
Lord President Morbius Poster: http://paulhanley.deviantart.com/art/Lord-President-Morbius-133968785
Who called me Dickhead?http://commander-june.deviantart.com/art/Who-called-me-dickhead-133757590
They’re not sausages: http://puttycad.deviantart.com/art/Dalek-Sec-Theyre-not-sausages-109206378

Surrealism:
Fez Master: http://mogira.deviantart.com/art/FEZ-MASTER-120422776
Nesting Daleks: http://risachantag.deviantart.com/art/Dr-Who-Nesting-Daleks-108693577

Is unrequited love inherently funny?:
Mad Martha: http://girl-on-the-moon.deviantart.com/art/Mad-Martha-83740237
uWho: Gridlock: http://spune-who.deviantart.com/art/uWho-Gridlock-97277985
Bad Wolf Byebye: http://mimi-na.deviantart.com/art/Bad-Wolf-Byebye-90862498
Why I love Donna Noble: http://joeywaii.deviantart.com/art/Why-I-love-Donna-Noble-87543754

Repeating or perverting catch phrases:
Are you my Mummy?: http://circusmonsters.deviantart.com/art/Are-you-my-mummy-80160728
Vader Meets The Empty Child: http://ormsqueak.deviantart.com/art/Vader-meets-the-Empty-Child-19252113
The Sound of Drums: http://nuriwan.deviantart.com/art/The-Sound-of-Drums-85149912

1 hour 21 minutes 27 seconds – Advice to people wanting to start their own funny fan comic:

Hosting sites:
deviantART: http://www.deviantart.com/
LiveJournal: http://www.livejournal.com/

Next Time

1 hour 29 minutes 15 seconds – Next time we’ll be discussing Doctor Who and Torchwood fandom on Second Life.

If you have any comments about our discussions this week, give your feedback in the comments, directed @BridgingTheRift on Twitter or emailed to our GoogleMail address.

Trocking Out

1 hour 30 minutes – Chameleon Circuit – Journey’s End:

In the Doctor Who Magazine reader’s poll, fans who came to Doctor Who with the new series voted Journey’s End the best Doctor Who story of all time, also placing the other series finales in their top 5 and relegating Caves of Androzani to number 10. So as we featured a funny plot synopsis comic of Caves of Androzani, we feel Journey’s End also deserves the treatment.

Luckily Chameleon Circuit have fit the bill perfectly with this track from their debut self-titled album, available from DFTBA records, from iTunes and Amazon MP3. Thanks to DFTBA records and the band for permission to use this track.

http://www.myspace.com/chameleoncircuitmusic


Bridging the Rift #6: The World of Fan Fiction

September 4, 2009

Subwave Network album artWe’re joined by Spider aka Spiderine on LiveJournal to discuss the different types Doctor Who Universe fan fiction and where to find them, and the legal position of transformative works.

We also look at your feedback for our Russell T Davies episode and travel back in time to episode 5 to hear the classic series Creativity Corner we recorded with Steven.

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Show Notes

Introductions

@ 1 minute – We introduce Torchwood and New Series Doctor Who fan fiction writer Spider:
http://spiderine.livejournal.com/
http://twitter.com/spiderine

News

@ 2 minutes 42 seconds – Nat will be at the Whooverville one day Doctor Who convention at the Midland Railway Centre near Ripley in Derbyshire this Sunday – that’s the 6th of September – if you’re attending, Nat would love to hear from you:
http://www.whoovers.org.uk/whooverville.html
http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=51032158444
http://twitter.com/thirtysix (Nat’s Twitter)

Creativity Corner

@ 4 minutes 17 seconds – We travel back to episode 5 where we were joined by Steven from Radio Free Skaro to discuss the classic series. As we overran, this is the discussion we recorded about classic series fan creativity:

Fan art:

mimi-na‘s classic who fan art:
http://mimi-na.deviantart.com/art/Doctor-s-Girls-46247500
http://mimi-na.deviantart.com/art/Doctor-s-Boys-58481472
http://mimi-na.deviantart.com/art/Monsters-of-Whodom-68755440
http://mimi-na.deviantart.com/art/omg-DOCTORZ-46815474

Fan art of jlfletch, often used for signings:
http://jlfletch.deviantart.com/gallery/#Doctor-Who

Fan art of harnois75 (featured in past Doctor Who Storybooks):
http://harnois75.deviantart.com/art/Gell-Guards-123672466
http://harnois75.deviantart.com/art/The-Keys-of-Marinus-Island-123722188
http://harnois75.deviantart.com/art/Marco-Polo-on-the-mountain-123721632
http://harnois75.deviantart.com/art/Genesis-2-125271032
http://harnois75.deviantart.com/art/Invasion-of-the-Dinosaurs-123868644
http://harnois75.deviantart.com/art/Whomobile-chase-125084726
(and many more)

Fan videos:

Babelcolour‘s tributes to the Doctors etc:
http://www.youtube.com/user/babelcolour
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCZhlEdGIm0 (all stories 1963 to 2008, Eurythmics Sweet Dreams mash up)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoxQKGDPtoo (the First Doctor, Back in 64, the Ruttles)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Xm26StUZVY (the Second Doctor, The Littlest Hobo)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENg0N-EC07 (the Third Doctor, Hero, Bonnie Tyler)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQfz48VJk1U (the Fifth Doctor, the Kinks Cricket)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu2061ieHSc (the Sixth Doctor, My Coat of Many Colours)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9BqnxGp4HA (the Eighth Doctor, English Man in New York)

Farmergeddon71‘s Doctor Who spoofs:
http://www.youtube.com/user/farmergeddon71
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lmh8xeX6SG0 (Flight of the Darned)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZ8bZgWEoaY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe3e5kmtduc (Five Doctors spoof parts 1 and 2)

Rebuttals

Correction: In episode 5 Nat stated that Harold S. recommended Captain Jack and the TARDIS by Rhodri James when in fact he recommended a filk of the same folk song, called Captain Jack and the Tardis by a filker called Crystal Paul. We apologise for confusing these two Doctor Who filks to the same tune.

@ 14 minutes 50 seconds – We look at your feedback to episode 4 where we were joined by Kate Orman to discuss fandom’s relationship with Russell T Davies:

Three suggestions for accessories for the Russell T Davies action figure featured in Creativity Corner:
http://russelh.deviantart.com/art/RTD-fig-81867715

The creator of the RTD figure, russellh is keen to hear your suggestions for accessories and may include them in an improved version! If you have more, leave yours in the comments.

Anattendantlord provides us with context for Rona Munro’s comments on romance in Doctor Who being lazy writing:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/culture/2009/aug/09/rona-munro-edinburgh-festival

We discuss Julian aka Braxietel’s comments about whether we were too lenient on Russell T Davies.

Spider gives her criticisms of RTD.

Main Discussion

@ 34 minutes – We discuss what fan fiction is, explain some common types of fics, explore Doctor Who Universe pairings and stories, and discuss disclaimers and legalities of fanfiction versus published works:

Fanfic recommendation communities/fanfiction communities on livejournal:

http://community.livejournal.com/Torchwood_house/
http://community.livejournal.com/Torch_wood
http://community.livejournal.com/Torchwood_three/ (newsletter)
http://community.livejournal.com/doctorwho/
http://community.livejournal.com/who_daily/ (newsletter)

Archives:

A Teaspoon and an Open Mind: http://www.whofic.com/
Fanfiction.net: http://www.fanfiction.net/

The legal position of fan fiction:

Organization for Transformative Works (OTW): http://transformativeworks.org/
Fair Use: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use

Fan fiction mentioned:

The Mascot: (Steven/Hi Fi fanfiction) http://www.whofic.com/viewstory.php?sid=23275
Omnijackual: http://community.livejournal.com/omnijaxual/
Copperbadge aka sam_storyteller: http://sam-storyteller.livejournal.com/

Next time

1 hour 34 minutes 15 seconds – Next episode we’ll be discussing whether or not Doctor Who has a true ‘canon’, what canon is and what’s included in it.

Trocking Out

1 hour 35 minutes 45 seconds – We play out with Donna’s Song by trock band Exerminate! from Pennsylvania, USA. You can hear more from the band at:
http://www.myspace.com/exterminatemusic


Bridging the Rift #4: Russell T Davies and Fandom

August 20, 2009

Subwave Network album artWe’re joined by Virgin New Adventures, BBC Eighth Doctor novels and Short Trips author Kate Orman to discuss fandom’s attitudes to Russell T Davies, and how Davies refers to fandom.

We also discuss your ideas about continuing Torchwood after Children of Earth and play out with more Time Lord Rock music.

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Show Notes

Introductions

@ 1 minute – Kate introduces herself:

http://kateorman.livejournal.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kate_Orman
Kate’s books on Amazon.co.uk

Rebuttals

@ 2 minutes – Todd’s comments on episode 1

@ 2 minutes 25 seconds – Aren’t all relationships in sci-fi doomed?

@ 10 minutes 30 seconds – Could series 4 follow a Torchwood 2 or 4 unstuck in space or time?

@ 15 minutes 10 seconds – Could the Doctor ‘help’ Jack by removing his memories, as he ‘helped’ Donna in Journey’s End?

@ 19 minutes 50 seconds – Draculasaurus’s comments on episode 2 about an American branch of Torchwood

Creativity Corner

@ 22 minutes 50 seconds – Russell T Davies fan art:

http://bluejeanius.livejournal.com/26084.html#cutid1
http://russelh.deviantart.com/art/RTD-fig-81867715
http://willmeister42.deviantart.com/art/AnyWho-12-Justice-90072642
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:The_Shadow_Proclamation_by_Russell_T_Davies.png

Main discussion

@ 29 minutes – Listening to some fans, you’d think Russell T Davies was the worst thing to happen to Doctor Who, why is this?

@ 34 minutes – We discuss common fan complaints against RTD’s writing:

@ 34 minutes 20 seconds – RTD turned Doctor Who into a soap opera

@ 38 minutes 45 seconds – Including romance is ‘lazy writing’

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/cult/a170471/former-who-writer-doc-snogging-is-lazy.html

@ 44 minutes 15 seconds – Russell is generally a lazy writer

Doctor Who Magazine 407’s interview with Christopher H Bidmead

@ 51 minutes 33 seconds – The character of Rose becomes unlikeable in series 2

@ 53 minutes 10 seconds – Episodes by other writers are bad because of RTD’s rewrites or influence

@ 55 minutes 54 seconds – Isn’t script edited

@ 58 minutes – Deus Ex Machina endings (Bad at epic stories or bad at endings in general)

@ 1 hour 7 minutes 27 seconds – Stories are too Earthbound

@ 1 hour 15 minutes 26 seconds – Doesn’t take science fiction or the future seriously

@ 1 hour 18 minutes 53 seconds – Gay agenda

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/2009/08/02/fans-react-with-threats-to-ianto-s-death-in-torchwood-91466-24294228/

@ 1 hour 25 minutes 32 seconds – Misuses religious imagery

@ 1 hour 28 minutes 19 seconds – Childish humour, burping bins, farting aliens

@ 1 hour 29 minutes 14 seconds – Just not liking the story (Nat talks about inconsistency in series 3)

@ 1 hour 31 minutes 26 seconds – People forget that RTD is a huge fan of Doctor Who

@ 1 hour 33 minutes 18 seconds – He’s supported fan creativity and spin off media where other show runners might not

@ 1 hour 35 minutes 30 seconds – The way RTD refers to fandom with cheeky remarks or outright dismissal

Audience Appreciation figures
http://journal.neilgaiman.com/2009/05/entitlement-issues.html

@ 1 hour 44 minutes 40 seconds – Wrapping up

Next Time

@ 1 hours 46 minutes 20 seconds – We’re sure that not everyone will agree with the opinions discussed in this episode. If you disagree or have any other comments, please send your feedback via bridgingtherift.wordpress.com, in email to our GoogleMail or directed @BridgingTheRift on twitter.

Next week we’ll be revisiting trock in our rebuttals section and looking at the best way for fans of the new series to explore the classic series.

Trocking Out

@ 1 hour 47 – We trock out to You Are Not Alone by KronksSpinachPuffs now known on YouTube as songsfrompaul. Thanks to Paul for kind permission to use this song.


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